God and Government - Did you know?

[dezdweller]

DID YOU KNOW?

As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view ... it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!


DID YOU KNOW?

As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.


DID YOU KNOW?

As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall, right above where the Supreme Court judges sit, a display of the Ten Commandments!


DID YOU KNOW?

There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.


DID YOU KNOW?

James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement:

"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."


DID YOU KNOW?

Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".


DID YOU KNOW?

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.


DID YOU KNOW?

Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.


DID YOU KNOW?

Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law - an oligarchy (the rule of few over many).


DID YOU KNOW?

The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:

"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."


How, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?

It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore, it is very hard to understand why there is such a mess about having the Ten Commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. We're supposed to be a democracy - put it to a vote - then tell the other 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!!

[eightball61]

It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore, it is very hard to understand why there is such a mess about having the Ten Commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. We're supposed to be a democracy - put it to a vote - then tell the other 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!!


& they call America "The Land of the Free".

"Land of the Free" my ass.......This is why I live by the New Hampshire saying "Live Free or Die".



Good thread though, dezdweller.

[SALly]

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we have so many foreigners living in our country now. Us plain old Americans are becoming the minority in our own country.

[eightball61]

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we have so many foreigners living in our country now. Us plain old Americans are becoming the minority in our own country.


Even though I don't want to turn this into a hatred thread but I agree with Sally on this one.

[SALly]

I don't hate foreigners either. I just don't feel they have any right to want things changed when they come to another country.... OUR country. And then our government accommodates and helps these people, by slowly letting go of our customs and beliefs...... it's not hatred, it's sadness.

[eightball61]

it's not hatred, it's sadness.


Sad that we have to talk about it like this but you are soooo right.

[dezdweller]

We've passed two laws in Arizona that have our Mexican neighbors up in arms. One was to declare English the official language (gee, go figure). The other was to require proof of citizenship before attending school, receiving state welfare programs...etc. The Mexican President actually threatened to sue us over this! My feeling is, if you want to live in America, learn to speak American and abide by our laws! How simple is that?

Forgive me if I ramble - had to take a Soma and kind of out of it...

[Girl]

"American" isn't a language.

Cite the source of these religious claims.

[Diablo]

When religion attains political power, it becomes demonic. Read about the inquisitions and crusades if you want to understand why the church and state are supposedly kept seperate. *singing* "Killin' for Jesus! Nothin' gets me off like killin' for Jesus!"

[Diablo]

[QUOTE=dezdweller]

It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. /QUOTE]


What makes you think all those people believe in your God? Just here in my state, there are over 75 different religions. Do you really think seperation of church and state could be desolved without starting a civil war? Besides, they aren't saying you can't practice your religion, just keep the church and state seperate.

[dezdweller]

Girl...
"American" may not be a language - but we certainly don't speak the Queen's English!

I will send you the photographs of all the buildings, doors, etc...that have these engravings...as far as "religious claims" - what are your referring to? ....it doesn't matter whether it's God, Jehovah, Buddha, Mohammed....the Koran reads very similar to the Bible - be kind, considerate, don't steal, murder, or over your neighbors...even if one doesn't believe in a Supreme being, the ten commandments are still good rules to live by.

[SALly]

Girl...
"American" may not be a language - but we certainly don't speak the Queen's English!

I will send you the photographs of all the buildings, doors, etc...that have these engravings...as far as "religious claims" - what are your referring to? ....it doesn't matter whether it's God, Jehovah, Buddha, Mohammed....the Koran reads very similar to the Bible - be kind, considerate, don't steal, murder, or over your neighbors...even if one doesn't believe in a Supreme being, the ten commandments are still good rules to live by.
Good points made, dweller! :)

[dezdweller]

Just for the record - I did not write this. A friend e-mailed it to me and I found it interesting. I didn't know about all the engravings in the Supreme Court building - those doors are amazing...

Other than the immediate preceding post, I did not write any personal opinion...it was placed here for the conversation that would result, not for personal attacks...

[eightball61]

Other than the immediate preceding post, I did not write any personal opinion...it was placed here for the conversation that would result, not for personal attacks...


Amen................

[Diablo]

Girl...
even if one doesn't believe in a Supreme being, the ten commandments are still good rules to live by.

That I agree with. But Christianity only means something if you live your faith and few Christians do. I'm not saying you do or you don't, but Christianity has basically blown its testimony and as a Christian you should recognize that this is a problem for y'all. Seperation of church and state is not. No one is saying that Christianity cannot be practiced, just keep the church and state seperate. If we lose seperation of church and state, our freedom will be doomed. The economy, foreign relations and such are the responsibility of the government; religion is not.

[Girl]

as far as "religious claims" - what are your referring to?

All the claims made in the first post.


Commandments don't resonate with those who know how to behave civilly.

[dezdweller]

All the claims made in the first post.

The "claims" regarding the engravings had photos included which I can't put on here, but I'll be glad to send that which I received to anyone interested. The quotes from our founding fathers and whatever else you seem to take issue with you can research yourself.

Commandments don't resonate with those who know how to behave civilly.

Ted Bundy was civil, not to mention well regarded in his community. They probably didn't "resonate" with him, either.

[Girl]

Oh how catty. Murderers are proponents of civility; fascinating. And in essence, this is some sort of mindless 'attack' upon my character, no doubt.

Those commandments are leading you to the path of righteousness and witnessing it makes my heart flutter.

Thank the good Lord for the ignore function. Hallelujah.

[dezdweller]

As I stated clearly in my previous post, #13, I did not write this article. I also never claimed I was a Christian or agreed with the writings in the thread. These assumptions were made by those who read it.

The definition of civility, as written in Girl's post, is "socially acceptable; polite". I've met many civil people I wouldn't trust to take out my garbage. My comment that Ted Bundy was a civil man was true. One can be civil and not live in accordance with the ten commandments, as not one of those ten says "Thou shall be polite" ...

I have never on this website made a personal attack on anyone. I did not join this site to mock or belittle anyone. I joined this site because my contact with people is limited and I like the idea of sharing advice, ideas and thoughts so we can help each other to be the best we can be as individuals and couples.

I am really glad I put this thread up...it showed me the true colors of some of the people here. I received many personal messages I wouldn't even finish reading, as well as the public posts all can read.

It's been educational, to say the least.

[yourstruly]

I knew better than to read this thread, considering my own beliefs and opinions on the subject matter....

dez gf, christians and non-christians will NEVER agree. If you notice, the non-christians are always the ones who are are more predjudice, why? Because they are on the defensive, they have something to prove. The Bible stands on it's own. It doesn't have to be proven. It already has.......

Don't, and I say again, dez, DON'T let the result of this thread turn you away from this forum. This forum is a relationship advice forum. There are AWESOME people here!!!! Trust me, I know!!! And you are one of them!

If it's one thing I've learned about being online, it's to stay away from threads like this.....which is why I did. LOL.

[kw1202]

I didn't really want to get into this thread but Diablo said something that I disagree with:

Christian you should recognize that this is a problem for y'all.

There are problems within all religions. Sometimes I feel like people don't know the real meaning of being a Christian.

Christian actually means to be Christ-like. Most Christians strive to be like him (though we can never be perfect). When the day of judgement comes I will only be held accountable for ME not anyone else. So when people say yall it kind of bothers me.

What one Christian does, that does not mean I will do the same. When people say Christians this or Christians that it's not fair. To me it's about your own personal walk with the Lord.

So I say don't lump us all together because though we claim the same religion some people are not very Christ-like that's evident in the things that happen in this world.

So Diablo don't take it as a personal attack I was just giving my 2cents

[Diablo]

Not taken as a personal attack, but anything Christians do reflects on all of them; sort of a guilt by association thing. Not saying that I do that, but most people do. Christianity as a whole needs to go into damage control mode. 'Course, I'm hoping for a few more scandals involving ministers myself.