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eightball61
06-03-2005, 03:11 PM
I found some useful tips about Healthy & Abusive Relationships. I am supplying these facts courtesy of "Recovery Web Navigation".

I hope current & future posters will get a benefit to this information.

*Please feel free to share or add any thoughts.



Healthy Relationships:

Non-Threatening Behavior
• Talking and acting so that your partner feels safe and comfortable doing and saying things.

Respect
• Listening to your partner non-judgmentally.

• Being emotionally affirming and understanding.

• Valuing opinions.

Trust and Support
• Supporting your partner’s goals in life.

• Respecting your partner’s right to his or her own feelings, friends, activities and opinions.

Honesty and Accountability
• Accepting responsibility for self.

• Acknowledging past use of violence and / or emotionally abusive behavior, changing the behavior.

• Acknowledging infidelity, changing the behavior.

• Admitting being wrong when it is appropriate.

• Communicating openly and truthfully, acknowledging past abuse, seeking help for abusive relationship patterns.

Responsible Parenting
• Sharing parental responsibilities.

• Being a positive, non-violent role model for children.

Shared Responsibility
• Mutually agreeing on a fair distribution of work.

• Making family decisions together.



Abusive Relationships:

Using Intimidation
• Making your partner afraid by using looks, actions, gestures.

• Smashing or destroying things.

• Destroying or confiscating your partner's property.

• Abusing pets as a display of power and control.

• Silent or overt raging.

• Displaying weapons or threatening their use.

• Making physical threats.

Using Emotional Abuse
• Putting your partner down.

• Making your partner feel bad about himself or herself.

• Calling your partner names.

• Playing mind games.

• Interrogating your partner.

• Harassing or intimidating your partner.

• "Checking up on" your partner's activities or whereabouts.

• Humiliating your partner, weather through direct attacks or "jokes".

• Making your partner feel guilty.

• Shaming your partner.

Using Isolation
• Controlling what your partner does, who he or she sees and talks to, what he or she reads, where he or she goes.

• Limiting your partner’s outside involvement.

• Demanding your partner remain home when you are not with them.

• Cutting your partner off from prior friends, activities, and social interaction.

• Using jealousy to justify your actions.

Minimizing, Denying and Blame Shifting
• Making light of the abuse and not taking your partner’s concerns about it seriously.

• Saying the abuse did not happen, or wasn't that bad.

• Shifting responsibility for your abusive behavior to your partner. (i.e: I did it because you ______.)

• Saying your partner caused it.

Using Children
• Making your partner feel guilty about the children.

• Using the children to relay messages.

• Using visitation to harass your partner.

• Threatening to take the children away.

Using Male Privilege
• Treating your partner like a servant.

• Making all the big decisions.

• Acting like the "master of the castle."

• Being the one to define men’s and women’s or the relationship's roles.

Using Economic Abuse
• Preventing your partner from getting or keeping a job.

• Making your partner ask for money.

• Giving your partner an allowance.

• Taking your partner’s money.

• Not letting your partner know about or have access to family income.



What effect do abusive relationships have on the partners of abusers?

Both emotional and physically abusive relationships take a deep toll on the partners of abusers. Self esteem is worn down, sense of options evaporates, self-care is compromised, and the power of choice is eroded. Partners of abusers may experience clinical depression, denial, chemical dependency, extreme codependency, and suicidal ideation or attempts. The abused partner frequently clings desperately to the abuser, believing that it's all they deserve or will ever get.

Partners of abusers experience denial of the abusiveness, both from their partners and internally. This denial is very much like the denial experienced by addicts, and just as life threatening. Denial and the loss of self esteem often cause the abused partner to remain extremely loyal to the abuser. (Until the denial about the abusiveness is broken through.)

Chemical dependency in one or both partners is extremely common in abusive relationships.The isolation of abusive relationships provides an ideal climate for the progression of addictions.



There is a way out!!!



If you are in an abusive relationship:

Abusive relationships do not change without sustained therapy specifically targeted toward the abusive relationship patterns. These relationships cannot be changed from one side, it takes mutual honesty, openness and willingness from both parties to work through these issues. Group therapy is highly recommended for abusers, as it helps them to break through the denial that is generally a part of the abusive patterns. (People in denial generally recognize their own dysfunctional behavior in others more easily than in themselves.) This applies to the partners of abusers as well - group helps them to break through the denial by seeing the relationship patterns from a wider view. Certain personality types are more prone to abusive relationships.

If the abuser is unwilling to own their behavior and seek help the prudent course of action is to remove yourself totally from the situation. This is painful, but is generally safer and ultimately better for both parties than allowing the cycle of abuse to continue. Be prepared for the abuse to increase after you leave - stepping out of the cycle enrages the abuser, as it shatters their illusion of control. (75% of women killed by their abusive partners are murdered after they leave.) Learn how to protect and care for yourself. Detachment with love is difficult, but the best solution if your partner is unwilling to work though the issues.

*I also like to add that you can get a restraining order for your protection when you leave. If you do leave your partner then arrange to live with someone like a family member or a close friend until things cool down.

Help is readily available for both parties in abusive relationships. These relationships cannot be changed from one side. Remember that by staying you are condoning and enabling the abuse - and helping your partner to stay sick. If your partner is unwilling to get help the only safe course of action is to totally remove yourself from the situation and seek help on your own.

Howard
06-03-2005, 07:55 PM
8Ball,that's good advice! :) I guess now that I'm in a relationship and have been going out with Robin for almost 9 months now,I would say so for myself that I have a little bit of healthy and a little bit of abusive!

piratesmate
06-21-2005, 09:24 PM
Abusive relationship describes my 20 yr marriage to my first husband! It describes him to a teeeee!
Even after I left his cheating buttocks, he still came after me and abused me verbally, not only in front of the children but using them as a go between and defamation of my character in front of my children too. Eventually, he took my three children away from me due to his excellent way of brainwashing/alienating! Sick man!
Sad there are men like that out there!

eightball61
06-21-2005, 10:10 PM
Abusive relationship describes my 20 yr marriage to my first husband! It describes him to a teeeee!


What about your second husband? I think this thread describes him to the teeee!!!

piratesmate
06-21-2005, 10:53 PM
He doesn't abuse me though.
He keeps to himself.
Perhaps he is the way he is because of being in the military for 20 years and having to have to defend for himself. I don't know. But, he has never called me any names, just that one time and he has apologized for calling me that name.
He always respects what I have to say and doesn't vebally abuse me in any way whatsoever, not like my first husband did constantly!
I know I need to get my husband to open up more and not be afraid to let me inside his head.

eightball61
06-21-2005, 11:10 PM
He doesn't abuse me though.



I took this quote from you other thread "When I found out, he became defensive of her and called me a C_NT! "

You need to read this quote and your other examples in your postings over. Once you have read all of your examples then please reread the part about "verbal abuse" in my thread. After you read that section then please try to tell me he doesn't abuse you again......

piratesmate
06-21-2005, 11:29 PM
Calling me that name was the ONLY time he ever called me any names whatsoever and he did apologize for calling me that. In fact, he actually begged me to forgive him and stated he had never called any woman that name before. I forgave him for calling me the C word. And, he called me that name when we were dating, not when we were married and I have told him if he ever calls me any names, I'll but his balls off! LOL

He is very respectful of women and never calls anyone by any names and doesn't judge people either. He is a very laid-back type of individual and keeps to himself a lot and of which I'm trying to break him of that habit.

Howard
06-21-2005, 11:46 PM
I guess I could relate to some of this.Robin sometimes verbally abuses me but she apologizes afterwards cause she knows it's going to ruin the fun of our togetherness on Sundays so what we do is compromise and settle heated arguements when they come up.I just don't feel the need to argue anymore. :)

piratesmate
06-21-2005, 11:49 PM
Great and good for you two!
My husband doesn't verbally abuse me nor does he physically abuse me either.
He does respect me and if I ask him not to do something or ask him to start helping me out around the house, he actually did! I was surprised by just asking him if he could help me out around the house more that he didn't mind it all! He actually said to let him know if I need any help around the house. I was shocked because I thought I'd get some sort of "Well, I make more money than you do so I am entitled to sit on my and do nothing while you make less than I do so you have to do everything around the house!" Yeah, that's what my first husband told me and I believed it for 20 years!

Howard
06-21-2005, 11:53 PM
Great and good for you two!
My husband doesn't verbally abuse me nor does he physically abuse me either.
He does respect me and if I ask him not to do something or ask him to start helping me out around the house, he actually did! I was surprised by just asking him if he could help me out around the house more that he didn't mind it all! He actually said to let him know if I need any help around the house. I was shocked because I thought I'd get some sort of "Well, I make more money than you do so I am entitled to sit on my and do nothing while you make less than I do so you have to do everything around the house!" Yeah, that's what my first husband told me and I believed it for 20 years!


Robin verbally abuses me because she wants to motivate me in trying to fill out job applications on-line and walk-in department stores.She's been doing that for months now she's also trying to give me a little push so I can in the future be financially wealthy and get a part/full time paying job so both of us will be able to have money to do stuff.

eightball61
06-22-2005, 01:58 AM
Great and good for you two!
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He does respect me and if I ask him not to do something or ask him to start helping me out around the house, he actually did!


Respect???? What Respect???


This is the man that has cheated on you in the past. Currently he is talking to past ex's behind your back and yet he has failed to mention to these women that he is currently married. When you do bring up the situation to him he fails to talk about it.

How can you call this respect???

He may do nice things for you but he is trying to recover from his wrong doing. Respect is the opposite of what he is doing but again you fail to notice the reality of what he is doing. :rolleyes:

piratesmate
06-22-2005, 08:52 PM
Chatted with my husband last night about how it hurt me that he is communicating with ex's via email. He never asked me how I knew I just told him I knew and that was all I was going to tell him.
He felt bad and said he wouldn't communicate to any of his ex's since it bothers me so. He truly felt bad and perhaps embarassed that I knew somehow.
We had a long chat and from now on I told him to not keep things from me whether it's feeling hurt inside or sad or upset either with me or the world or his job or his kids. We are best friends and friends should always be open with one another.

yes, I'm in a good mood today! :D :D :) :D

eightball61
06-22-2005, 09:10 PM
Chatted with my husband last night about how it hurt me that he is communicating with ex's via email. He never asked me how I knew I just told him I knew and that was all I was going to tell him.
He felt bad and said he wouldn't communicate to any of his ex's since it bothers me so. He truly felt bad and perhaps embarassed that I knew somehow.
We had a long chat and from now on I told him to not keep things from me whether it's feeling hurt inside or sad or upset either with me or the world or his job or his kids. We are best friends and friends should always be open with one another.

yes, I'm in a good mood today! :D :D :D


With his history I am hoping he does keep to his word but I won't get my hopes high yet.

I am sorry to be so blunt and negative but I see more bad than good coming from this. But hey, I do wish you both the best of luck :)

piratesmate
06-22-2005, 09:12 PM
I value your opinion and I will keep my eye out on him, since as you know, I have a hard time trusting anyone!

Being blunt is the only way to be with someone, it is how I am too, but my bluntness sometimes does get me into trouble or hurts others feelings.

eightball61
06-22-2005, 09:37 PM
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Being blunt is the only way to be with someone, it is how I am too, but my bluntness sometimes does get me into trouble or hurts others feelings.


Since when did you become soooo blunt??? :confused:

I ask this because yesturday you said " The hardest thing is getting the nerve and courage and stop being a sissy " & usually blunt people don't have a hard time getting courage.

Howard
06-23-2005, 12:17 AM
Robin doesn't really abuse me verbally but she says it in the way that I'm still unemployed and lazy and don't have any motivation yet.Later,she apologizes to me and we bury the hatchet. :)

piratesmate
06-23-2005, 12:45 AM
Since when did you become soooo blunt??? I am unless it is in regards to confronting my husband about delicate matters.

I ask this because yesturday you said " The hardest thing is getting the nerve and courage and stop being a sissy " & usually blunt people don't have a hard time getting courage. yes, this is true but, again, because of what I had to confront him with was scary. I have no problem being a blunt person.
Being blunt does not mean you are not afraid to address an issue with someone. To me, it means you say what you feel and that is usually what I do and sometimes it gets me "trouble" with either friends or family.
I'm in a predicament now where I finally had to tell my mooching sister and her husband to stop mooching off my recently widowed father. They didn't like that one bit and couldn't believe that I knew that they were mooching big bucks from my father, who by the way, is unable to ever say no to my sister, the youngest of five siblings!
Now, I don't have a relationship with her because I had the nerve to tell her what I thought of her and her money-hungry husband! I was blunt and to the point and it upset them so now they are ticked off with me. Thus, in return, they have severed my relationship with my father because my moocher sister approached my father and asked him why he told me about the money he had given her. In return, he got upset with me for telling them what I knew and he said to me, and I quote, "Do you know you upset your sister? She is upset now that you two talked." All my life, I've had to put up with her antics and lies and deceits and money borrowing but I was never allowed to "upset" her. So now, my dad won't have anything to do with me because of her inconsiderate ways. I felt better getting the information I knew about her that my father told me even though it severed my relationship with my father.
Sorry for the long story. My life has been hell since Oct 17, 2000 and then my mother passed away May 2004 of cancer and since then my sister and her husband have been making my father take money out of his retirement for their 2 brand new cars, trailers (not just one trailer but they had to buy a bigger one a few months later and borrowed more money for that) tile for their whole house, new carpet, etc. the list goes on and on. So yeah, I got really upset that I found out they were mooching.
Get this, they tell my father to "Just take the money out of our inheritance that we will get when you die."
Sick people.

Okay, I'm through ranting for today and through boring everyone.

I'm going home to cook dinner for my husband and me and will sip on some cheap white zin. LOL

eightball61
06-23-2005, 01:36 AM
I'm in a predicament now where I finally had to tell my mooching sister and her husband to stop mooching off my recently widowed father.

I am sorry to hear about the passing of your father.


The key word to this quote is "finally". You have done the right thing is approaching her with this issue. It may have took a toll on your relationship with her but at least you made an issue known.

I apologize if my recent post have sounded blunt & harsh but I have found this is the only way for you to realize the truth to the matter. You both have decided to work on things and I do prey it all works out for you both in the end.

I will be gone for the next week and a half and I do hope I come back to a positive turn-around for you both.

Take Care & Goodluck

Howard
06-23-2005, 09:56 PM
What consists of a healthy relationship? :confused:

piratesmate
06-23-2005, 10:33 PM
My father didn't pass away, my mother did.

What constitudes a healthy relationship?
I have no idea.

Howard
06-25-2005, 12:39 AM
This is probably the 2nd relationship That I find somewhat abusive.The first one,the girl wanted the ring because we were together for almost 5 years and the other one(now)wants me to please her in getting a job for myself. :rolleyes:

piratesmate
06-27-2005, 08:56 PM
why would a girl want a ring? What does it signify?

Howard
06-28-2005, 12:15 AM
why would a girl want a ring? What does it signify?

Well because in my last relationship it ended October 19th,2001 and her and I were dating for almost 5 years and we were dating for so long that both of us were getting romantically involved so she had a little bit of jealousy in her cause most of her Family members were married and she wasn't.So,she thought that after 5 years I would get her the engagement ring but I told her 5-6 years ago that I didn't have a job at the time and I went to a program so there was no way at all that I could've married her. :mad:

littlesister
07-01-2005, 03:27 AM
Abusive relationship describes my 20 yr marriage to my first husband! It describes him to a teeeee!
Even after I left his cheating buttocks, he still came after me and abused me verbally, not only in front of the children but using them as a go between and defamation of my character in front of my children too. Eventually, he took my three children away from me due to his excellent way of brainwashing/alienating! Sick man!
Sad there are men like that out there!

My sister stayed with my brother in law for 20 yrs too. Same kind of situation lots of verbal abuse that became physical the last part of their marriage. She has such a sweet husband now and is very happy. Some times it is better the second time around ;)

Howard
07-01-2005, 11:50 PM
Sometimes it's better to stay in a relationship that's more healthy than abusive. :)

eightball61
07-03-2005, 02:22 PM
Piratesmate,

Sorry for the reading error.....On the other note, is there any postive turns in your marriage in the last week?

piratesmate
07-05-2005, 07:16 PM
No problem. We all can't be perfect! LOL

I had four days off (Fri-Mon) and wasn't able to get on the comptuer since my husband was hogging it to get on his many motorcycle forums he is addicted too. I wanted to get on here to see what was happening.

I know my husband needs a lot of "training" but it will be a slow process since he "learns" something but then he forgets and gets into his same ole little world and I have to remind him to come back to the real world of paying attention to me or helping out around the house or to be more loving.

Overall, I had a very unromantic weekend. LOL
I did, however, do a lot of TV watching.

eightball61
07-05-2005, 09:20 PM
I know my husband needs a lot of "training"

A person in a marriage shouldn't be trained. He has became accoustom to a certain way of acting in a marriage & now he needs guidence out of that. I have mentioned counseling to you I believe & if he can't make a change for himself then you may want to explore this route.

Goodluck to you both ;)